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Area/Game:Wooden Ships & Iron Men
1Topic:Bugs and Improvements
Subject:Re: [WS&IM][BUG] Game # 18139 Ship fires on a surrendered ship
Posted by: pbass111 - 17years 349days ago.
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derekticus wrote:
pbass111 wrote:
derekticus wrote:
In game # 18139, on turn 14, the "Bretagne" fires upon the "Bloody Blade" which had surrendered by fire-power on turn 11. Ships are not permitted to fire on surrendered ships.
Additionally, it needs to be noted that the original rules call for ships to surrender by fire-power on subsequent turns AFTER they lose all of their guns, not on the turn their last gun is destroyed.


Here is the original definition as received by S. Craig Taylor last year by email:

Johnny,



You get double the points for a prize because you remove it from the enemy fleet (immediately) and add it to your own (eventually). You only get the points if you sink it as it is only removed from the enemy fleet and just stays there on the bottom.



Craig


I hope this solves that question. I had remembered the one about moving into the wind, and returning to another attitude after F1 is entered when moving in attitude A, for ships with a turning number of 2 or more. But not this one.

Definitely unsporting, eh, my good fellows? But legal!


Again, the issue is the inconsistency here in this on-line version of WS&IM. I am not questioning the double points, I am arguing that either you can or you can not fire upon surrendered ships. Currently this game allows for firing on "surrendered by fire-power" ships but not "surrendered by immobility" ship.
This is the issue.


Yes, and it will continue to be an issue, to you, until you realize that this is a legitimate part of the game, for whatever reason you want to ascribe to it.

It's allowed in the original rules. The Designers of this online version of WSIM did not write it. Use it, don't knock it. It could have been been changed in more recent editions, but wasn't, by the original authors. You saw Craig's reply above to my inquiry from last year. He wrote the original rules, and a better judgement could not be more forceful. I contacted him last year because I didn't believe it either (being the kindly and respectful man that I am, whose honor would never condone the wholesale slaughtering of entire crews...for a trifling WIN of all things!). It is not a widely known option, not being specifically written, but may prove advantageous to a player in the future. It certainly took Steve to bring it to my attention, and it won that particular game for us ON POINTS. In short, Live with it!

It reminds me of the many times when playing a so-called "experienced" player in chess, when one uses the en passant tactic to take a pawn with a pawn on its opening move. It can be surprising to discover how many people are totally ignorant of this European change to the ancient rules.

I remain your humble, and grovelling, servant...
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