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Area/Game:Wooden Ships & Iron Men
1Topic:How to play
Subject:Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Rakes, is it modeled right?
Posted by: Tornade - 18years 261days ago.
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HeadMMoid wrote:
sfatula wrote:
michzeidler wrote:
That was very interesting to read. Thanks for that post.
And thanks for Chiggy to bring that up.

Yes, in the end, it is not accurate of course. But, it IS a game, and, the game itself is modeled after the board game. I would like it to stay that way. But, clearly, not accurate. As many others have pointed out, nor is most any game. Chess, etc.

Certainly, a valid point. But, I like it that way as the only reason I started here was I noticed the name, and, I had played the game before. The game is fun as is, yes, the tactics are not the same as historical tactics. But they never are. Do not underestimate the complexity of designing a more historically accurate ruleset. Since that ruleset already exists (but is not accurate), it's much easier to use as is.

Note that I did not make any request or suggestion that WSIM be changed here. I was simply responding to and expanding upon ChiggyVonR's questions and comments regarding rakes in WSIM on this site.

I would, however, disagree that historical games are "clearly, not accurate ... nor is most any game." While all historical games are simulations of reality, there are those which do a much, much better job of simulating historical events and allow for the effective use of historical tactics. Heart of Oak and Fire As She Bears come quickly to mind with regard to age of sail games.

To ChiggyVonR I would say further; Your questions are an attempt to apply historical reality to a game system which has about as much of a relation to the age of sail as The Big Planes Race (elsewhere on this site) has to World War I air combat.


excellent commentary on the realism aspects of the game

my husband is a more serious game player than me...and he has often commented on the WSIM game as "another Avalon Hill exercise" he concedes it is a fun game for beer and pretzels but not a serious simulation of the era
his own preference runs to Beat to Quarters which in his estimation has better sailing rules...better gunnery rules and far greater flexibility that what is offered by the hexboard of WSIM...its not one i can speak about with personal experience

my own understanding of naval combat of the era and i dont pretend to be an expert...the tactics used by captains of that time will not work very well in this game...the fouling rules make movement far more difficult than it was...the ship's rigging seems more a spider's web to entangle nearby ships than a means of motive power...gunnery certainly has its weaknesses...raking being far too easy to do especially at the longer ranges where it was historically far less effective...there are probably dozens of flaws in the game but despite all of that...it is a FUN game...if you want a serious simulation of the age of fighting sail then you might want to consider another game...but for sheer fun...WSIM fills it niche

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18years 263days ChiggyVonR [WS&IM][RULES] Rakes, is it modeled right?
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