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Area/Game:Wooden Ships & Iron Men
1Topic:How to play
Subject:Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
Posted by: Tornade - 18years 271days ago.
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ChiggyVonR wrote:
Tornade wrote:
ChiggyVonR wrote:
Tornade wrote:
ChiggyVonR wrote:
SirLindsley wrote:
ChiggyVonR wrote:
One of the reasons there are so few new games that are open are surely because if a rookie player posts a game a vet will come up to suck some easy points away from you.

Now not all vets are going to do so, but some will to try and move themselves up in the rankings because they see you as easy meat.

But you have an option that will get them off your back. That option is surrender! Granted it will give them the win, it will take away their points per game totals.

You see when you surrender the points are 0 to 0, thus those who chase points will drop in the standings instead of gain.

Now you will be screamed at in the forums and called all kind of names by the real stat whores but you will get to play against people of the same skill sets as soon as the SW's know you are going to cost them rankings.

At this moment except for passwording the game and using email to invite an opponent, you have only surrender as a defense against those who would take advantage of you!

Surrender, the untimate stat whore defense, use it!


Chiggy, you sure know how to get a forum thread going. Avallega started a thread about three months ago about stats and in 42 days he had 13 responses (No offence intended, avallega. .

Look what Chiggy has done in less than two days.



Oh and I do think they would be better off to make standings based on a chess like rating system. One thing about chess ratings, it rarely benefits a very good player to play an average player because he will not move up much at all if any depending on the relative scores of the two players involved. Of course the difficulty there would be how to rate a multi player game. This could be done by simply considering all players on one side to have played each other and those who scored higher then players on the opposite side would be considered to have won, thus a 16 player game with 8 on 8 would see each player being considered to have played a game against all eight opponents. He wins or is beaten based on how his score is compared to the opponents score. If you are the high score in the game you are considered to have won eight games, one against each of the opponents, etc. The chess rating could then be scored based on that assumption. Draws would be considered to have occurred with anyone on the opposite side who scored equal.

And if you want to get really hairy you could pro rate the sunken tons based on numbers of guns with the short range guns being 1/2 value to regular guns. So a 28 gun ship has to score double a 14 gun ship to be outscore him. This would allow the small ships to be a viable choice in a multi player game. Instead the current system makes it very difficult for a small gunned ship to win a scenario against the big boys. Thus you always see the big ships fill up first then you wait and wait for someone to finally take the smaller ships to get the thing going.

Secondly the current system rewards very good players taking on rookies. That being said I know there are players who help rookies, but still they gain an easy win while helping the rookie player to learn is hardly fair to make a win against a poor player the same as against a good player.

So if the top two play they score the same as they would if they played the last rated player in the game. This would temp others to use rookie players to pad their scores. This is not the best system to use. Granted I hear there are changes coming and that is a good thing, but if it does not address the basic problem of scoring vs weak players being worth the same as against a good player you will see rookie players jumped by those wanting to climb the ladder. Allowing that system to stand will hurt you in the long run as to gaining player base.

If the games were rated based on a chess ranking type system, the elite player could still play a rookie, he would just not gain anything points wise if he wins and would lose 300 if he somehow lost the game. This would be a rare event though.

But I doubt it will be considered, I know in WEBL boxing they use chess rankings and that seems to help balance things although they have no choice as to whom they play because of the scheduler.



frankly...rather than waste time and energy on a stat system that panders only to the "stat whores"
and really adds nothing to the game play...i would far rather see them add the missing features...
change of wind...ammunition choices...boarding...etc...in other words...something that contributes to the play experience

i am honestly not very interested if a player i am playing against is an "Expert Pro" or a "Complete Neophyte"...i am interested in having fun with the game and to play against someone new who may have a better way to skin the cat

as my husband is so fond to say...you can learn SOMETHING from ANYONE and the day you STOP learning is the day they nail down the lid



Well I see stats as a way to achieve balance and thus give the players in question the best shot at a good game. I don't see the current system being able to do that, and it certainly gives incentive to the player to go after rookies as they will give max tonnage and a easy win. Thus the current system will be a negative if left in place.


i think you make the mistake to assume that all new players to the site have never played the game before...now in my case its true...but i dont think its like that all the time...Pbass for example when he would start in the site he would be a newbie...but a very experienced player from the board game...
just cause someone is new...dont mean he is not good

and if someone wants to play for points and boast...who cares...i dont even look at the stats about a player since it dont interest me at all...i will play anyone who cares to try with me and i hope i give them a good match...i dont mind if i have my butt kicked or if i do the kicking...i win the game to have the pleasure of playing it...not some stupid number at the end

there is a cartoon i saw one time...
it was a Nazi fighter pilot with a huge number of victories against the Allied air forces and he got shot down...
so when he demands to see the pilot who shot him down and he meets a fresh rookie pilot he is insulted...and with his arrogance he goes on all about the large number of victories he has in air combat and then makes the stupid mistake to ask the rookie how many HE has...to which the rookie replied...only one


Ah but the other 100-150 rookie pilots are all dead!


and your point ?

its a simple fact that most of the greatest aces were shot down and/or killed by sheer chance...
whether it be a novice pilot...ground fire...defensive fire...or even mechanical failure at the wrong moment

the kind of thinking you display is rather typical of teenage boy war gamers...that Germany was superior in training, strategy and tactics, equipment and doctrine and that ONLY an incompetent madman kept them from overunning the entire world

they all like to overlook the fact that Germany suffered more than 20 years of occupation by the inept Allies who beat them soundly
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18years 274days ChiggyVonR [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
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   18years 274days michzeidler Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
   18years 274days pbass111 Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
    18years 274days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
     18years 274days sfatula Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
      18years 274days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
      18years 274days sfatula Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
      18years 274days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
       18years 274days sfatula Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
       18years 273days michzeidler Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
       18years 274days pbass111 Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
       18years 274days Tornade Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
       18years 274days pbass111 Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
       18years 274days Tornade Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
        18years 274days pbass111 Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
        18years 274days sfatula Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
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        18years 274days pbass111 Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
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          18years 274days pbass111 Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
           18years 274days sfatula Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
       18years 273days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
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         18years 270days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
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       18years 273days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
        18years 273days sfatula Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
        18years 271days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
         18years 271days sfatula Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
          18years 271days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
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       18years 274days jarnie Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
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 18years 273days Flashrock Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
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    18years 271days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
18years 272days SirLindsley Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
 18years 272days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
 18years 272days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
  18years 272days Tornade Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
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    18years 272days Tornade Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
     18years 272days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
      18years 271days Tornade Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
       18years 271days sfatula Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
       18years 270days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
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        18years 267days ChiggyVonR Re: [WS&IM][RULES] Stat Whore defense for Noobs, surrender is an option!
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