I would like to start a new, flame-free thread. Let us see if we can start over without insulting each other
TXWard wrote:
Many American veterans, when asked about the fact that neo-Nazis and Ku Klux Klan groups are allowed to hold demonstrations in the US, defend such demonstrations. Their point - THAT is what they fought for! Not for the statements that are made, but the right and freedom to make them.
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For the record, I think the only thing worse than a Nazi is a neo-Nazi. The Nazis did not have the benefit of hindsight.
Let me be a smart-ass for a second.
It seems that, apart from sub-flamewars, there is one main issue at stake here:
whether intolerance should be tolerated. This has been a hotly debated topic by many philosophers (Voltaire, Popper, Rawls...) for the last few centuries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolerance#Tolerating_the_intolerantRawls (who is just as American as those veterans cited by TXWard) for example says that (source: wikipedia)
1) the intolerant must be tolerated, but only insofar as they do not endanger the tolerant society and its institutions.
2) other members of society have a right, perhaps even a duty, to complain on their behalf, again, as long as society itself is not endangered by these intolerant members.
I think these two points are accepted by everyone (TXWard, DBurke, Tornade, Zif, SteveMartin...) of us. In addition, I think we all agree with the additional statement:
3) Neo-nazis, for example, are tolerated in different degrees in different places around the world, for example USA and Germany. So what? YouPlayIt is not USA, or Germany. YouPlayIt is a website for online boardgames.
So, the only point at which we seem to disagree is:
when should a behaviour be considered disruptive of the YouPlayIt boardgaming society, and therefore be censored?
My opinion is that the YouPlayIt society should mainly, but not exclusively, be concerned with boardgames.
Some positive political threads occurred on this forum, every now and then. For example when messages of solidarity were posted after the Madrid bombings of 2004. I think this was good, and should be accepted. That is, as long as the conversation stays general and polite, because even that topic could potentially lead to flames.
On the other hand,
links and references to (even mildly!) controversial historical and political factions and figures should be avoided and removed on request. We do not want the website to be populated by "Adolf Hitler", "Stalin", nor even "George Bush" or "Al Gore" pilots. This is because such accounts inevitably lead to flaming, and this makes them disruptive of the YouPlay society. In fact, offending is what these accounts are created for in the first place!
These accounts are created with the clear aim of disrupting the YouPlayIt society, and this is why I think that they should not be tolerated.
Just my two (currently euro)cents,
neko
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