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Area/Game:Blue Max
Topic:Rules
Subject:Re: Aircraft characteristics - Any comments?
Posted by: Crash and Burn - 19years 272days ago.
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fmpfmp wrote:
Here's some whining about the plane characteristics...

According to my study of "Pocket Encyclopedia of World Aircraft on Colour - Fighters, Attack and Training Aircraft 1914-1919, Blandford Press Ltd. 1968" indicates:

Pfalz D.III should have fuel 52
SE 5A fuel 67
Pflaz D.XII should be slower
Spad XIII fuel 45
Bristol F2 should be faster (really!!! in real life it was slightly faster than Albatros DVa)
Sopwith Camel should be faster and fuel 52
Sopwith Triplane should be faster anf fuel 55

THEN...

According to my study of "Biplanes, Triplanes and Seaplanes - Michael Sharpe, Amber Books Ltd. 2000" indicates:

Fokker Dr.I should be faster (Althought according to the "Pocket Encyclopedia..." this isn't the case, so which one is right?)
Pfalz D.III should have fuel 52 (same as the first book indicates)
SE 5A fuel 67 (same indication again)
Spad XIII fuel 45 (again)
Sopwith Camel should be faster and fuel 52 (again)
Sopwith Triplane should be faster and fuel 55 (again)

Any comments?????????


The speeds listed below were rounded to intervals of 5mph for easier reading and
comparison, that is 106mph would be 105mph, 114mph would be 115mph, 109mph would be
110mph, etc. In most cases, only a 5mph speed separates planes that are dramatically different in
the miniatures edition of Blue Max. While doing the research on WW1 aircraft speeds, I
compared data from multiple sources and never relying on just one data reference. Another
feature to consider in a plane's speed were the multiple engine types used in the same plane.
Planes of the same type sometimes had several different engines installed, and the speed shown
below is for the most common engine for that plane. One more aspect to consider is that a speed
margin of about 5mph (or more) should always be present due to the condition of the plane
and/or plane's engine at the front. I also took into account pilot testimonies and their opinions
(biased and unbiased) where available because they told the real story as to how their aircraft
compared to one another.
Aircraft Name: Speed at 4K--6K feet:
Airco DH2 95mph
Albatros DII 110mph
Albatros DIII 110mph
Albatros DV 115mph
Avaro 504 95mph
Bristol F2B 110mph**
Bristol Scout 95mph
DH4 115mph**
DH5 105mph
Fokker DR1 105mph
Fokker DVI 110mph
Fokker DVII 120mph
Fokker DVIII 115mph
Fokker EIII 85mph
Halberstadt CLII 105mph
Halberstadt DII 95mph
Morane Mono 90mph
Nieuport 11 95mph
Nieuport 12 90mph
Nieuport 17 110mph
Nieuport 28 115mph
Pfalz DIII 105mph
Pfalz DXII 115mph
Pfalz EIII 90mph
RE8 100mph
Roland CII 105mph
Roland DII 110mph
Roland DVI 115mph
SE5 115mph
SE5A 120mph**
SS DIII/DIV 115mph
Sop. Camel 115mph
Sop. Pup 105mph
Sop. Snipe 120mph
Sop. Stutter 105mph
Sop. Triplane 110mph
Spad 13 135mph**
Spad 7 115mph
SVA-5 135mph**
** Important note: The data for these planes in most books/references show post war speeds and
not the actual speeds of the plane during World War One. The speeds I have listed are the speeds
during World War One. Phil Hall, designer of Blue Max, once told me, "I have noticed that in
many reference works, there is a tendency to take the best possible performance without regard to
when the aircraft was able to perform like that." and I completely agree with him. Special
attention must be given to the SE5A. The actual combat speed of the production plane with the
200hp Wolseley Viper engine was approximately 122mph at 6,000 feet. Planes with the 200hp
(not the 150hp) Hispano-Suiza engine performed better, but these were few in number. Most
sources tend to lead the researcher to believe that the SE5A had a speed of more than 135mph,
which was a post war speed due to the installation of better and much improved engines.

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