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Area/Game:Blue Max
Topic:Rules
Subject:Re: "Fuel! What is it good for?
Posted by: Bombadil - 16years 35days ago.
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FENRIS wrote:
imdog wrote:
gugliandalf wrote:
Absolutley nothing!"

Apart from the (mis)quote from Edwin Starr, I want to tell you something that happened to me.

A couple of days ago, I played BM tabletop with three other people. As I was the only experienced player and others varied from played-a-lot-but-long-ago to played-couple-of-times to firs-time, we decided not to use fuel. Planes were A DVII, a DXII, an SE5a and a XIII. I never ever played BM without fuel rules.

My! What a game!

Everybody, everybody enjoyed his plane far far more than usual! What a pleasure is to zoom around at leisure! And the guy on the DVII wasn't the more thrilled, you should have seen the greenhorn on the XIII zooming around!

My point is: BM without fuel is quite a different game, as it is without special damage and burst length. So I think that introducing a variant (an indipendent flag) "without fuel" is a GREAT idea.

Now comes the other side of the coin: how to avoid endless games? Because I'll tell you: a 1 vs. 1 game with experienced players would last forever. There are some ways.

1. Ammo. With ammo limit (say 20 boxes, without lewis rules), game limit crawls back.

2. Gane turns number. As we set a time limit for maneuver selection when we set up a game, we can set a turn limit, say from 20 to 40 game turns.

3. No-blood limit.Let's say that, if a game proceeds for, say, 10 game turns without a single shot being fired, the game is over (a little like the "2nd turn not completed" rule, only the game is over, not deleted.

So, that's it. I know it's a gauntlet, and that there are technical issues with it, but I couldn't resist, as it was a really new game experience, and with a game that i sure know top to bottom and upside down.


Interesting alternative. I would go for the ammo option. And beside the current setting, the user can choose fire/not fire in his round. The game will be running in a fun way I am guessing.

P.
Normally I would say; "If it ain't broke don't fix it".
But Gug's idea is intriguing, particularly in regards to....skip that, lets talk about "Ammo limitations".
The diamond in Gug's crown of insight.
If we were to consider implementable historical accuracies to our beloved chip-dusted, moldy, beer and Koole-Aide wrinkled game of games, would not that be among the first considerations?
'Cause I gotta say when a Sopwith Camel can match bullet for bullet my prop stuttered belt fed dual Spandaus, I....am.. nice to kittens.
Ammo limits? Based on date and plane model?
Brilliant!


I know Ammo was discussed at length several times in the past. I seem to remember Phil Hall telling us how long an individual turn was in "real time". I think it was MUCH less but lets say it's 30 sec. Lets assume a 30 turn game (not uncommon), so that would be 15 min. for the game. No one fires for all 30 turns! If we assume an average of 10 to 12 bursts for a 30 turn game as about average, (at lease) I don't see "unlimited" ammo as anything that needs "fixed".

Bombadil

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