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TXWard wrote: markrendl wrote: edwardlaneuk wrote: GraysGhost wrote: TXWard wrote: GraysGhost wrote: TXWard wrote: Bombadil wrote: GraysGhost wrote: It seems to relate to the issue FENRIS brought up in his thread. It happened 8 turns ago, how could anyone tell where the winner exited the board? By looking at the history that states that the winner exited the board and that he didn't do so with honour - simple really. 27. Pumba71 Retired honorably 26. GraysGhost fired at Pumba71, distance 2 with no deflection. 8 points. Damage R (Base:4,Stb:+1,Tail:+1,Fired:+1,Long:+1,Dice:+3). 25. GraysGhost fired at Pumba71, distance 2 with no deflection. 0 points. No relevant damages. (Base:4,Stb:+1,Tail:+1,Long:+1,Jammed). 23. GraysGhost fired at Pumba71, distance 2 with no deflection. 7 points. Damage B (Base:4,Stb:+1,Tail:+1,Long:+1,Dice:+1). 19. Natador_NMcHarg Retired Notice the subtle difference between Pumba and Natador? The word honourably is missing.  Apparently, the UK definition of "simple" varies from the American definition.  Natador_NMcHarg retired with a tank full of fuel and no damage - that's why "honorably" is missing. How exactly does what you've presented indicate that he left on a non-home side? If a player retires from the board on any side with guns and/or fuel then they have left dishonourably. A dishonourable exit isn't just associated with a non-home side. Just goes to show that you're a class player TX as you didn't know. Means you've never run away but always kept your honour intact. Salute.  I agree it's a bug, Natador scored 43 shooting points in the game, moved for 18 moves before leaving the board on turn 19 with fuel, engine and guns. He should I think therefore have had his score halved to 30 (scores round down I'm told) and yet the game records him as having 61 points. So that will have affected the scores for that league. Not much that can be done now I guess. Perhaps leaving the board whilst on automove should (for league games) count as if the plane is NOT still on map for determining if the game is a marginal victory or not. Your score halved if you retire off any non-home edge, regardless of your plane's condition. Honorable retirement's only possible off your home side edge. Thus, without being able to review the specific turn the player in question left, I would surmise he left by his own home edge, so labeled as Retired, but with no score penalty. markrendl I agree - there is no way of determining whether it is a bug or not because even the players in the game can't tell us if he left the home side or not. I'd presume he left his home side and that it is not a bug. The original question was about the score, but the discussion was about honor. They are not directly related. The only reason that honour came into it is because you get your points halved for dishonourable exits. Natador is in the middle of his exams at the moment at school so I think we can forgive him for auto-moving - he has bigger and more important things on his mind just now. I think this is a bug that has happened since the last update to the auto-move so that it is faster. Not a big issue but something worth looking at. 
You're mistaken, which is where the confusion is coming from. This is not a bug, and markrendl already explained it.
You are incorrect in your first sentence. Your points DO NOT get halved for "dishonorable" exits. Your score gets halved for leaving the map off of any side other than your home side. You are conflating the two concepts, which is why you are getting confused.
Perhaps a Set Theory explanation would help.
All exits from non-home sides are without honor, regardless of plane condition
All exits with a gun AND more than 3 fuel are without honor, regardless of side of departure
All exits from non-home sides result in halving of points, regardless of reason
As you can tell from those sets, all exits from non-home sides are without honor and result in halving of points. Every situation that is part of the first set is also part of the last set. However, not all exits without honor result in halving of points. Natador appears to be part of the middle set (exited with fuel and gun) but not part of the last set, which means that he must have exited his home side. If this is the case, this is not a bug at all. |
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